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  1. 'Man Utd miles behind a club like Bayern Munich'published at 10:30 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    John Murray
    Football correspondent on BBC Radio 5 Live

    It feels like Manchester United are miles behind a club like Bayern Munich, whereas once they were on a par.

    You know, it's that sort of club, the way it runs. It feels like everything at Bayern Munich is pulling in the right direction.

    With Manchester United, it feels that that is far from the case and has been for such a long time now.

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    Get Involvedpublished at 10:28 BST

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    Look no further than the ownership for this debacle. Glazers have drained so much money out of the club that there's not enough left to manage a viable PL operation. The year we spent in the old 2nd Division was far more joyous.

    Desmond, Barnet

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    Get Involved - 'Who is allowed to say something?"published at 10:24 BST

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    I don’t get it… When managers call out this atrocious ownership that’s killing the club they are sacked, Martinez says the truth that every single fan and everyone can see he is fined. Now Bruno tells the truth, we slam him? I mean who is allowed to say something?

    Antoine, London

  4. 'I'll be surprised if Carrick ends week as Man Utd manager'published at 10:20 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

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    'This feels like the end for Michael Carrick at Man Utd'

    After last night's game, Manchester United fan Jay Motty said he feels like it's "the end" for Michael Carrick as head coach.

    "That was as bad as I've seen United in a long, long time," he added. "Como looked up for it, looked well organised, looked well drilled, looked passionate - we didn't look any of those things.

    "Is a new manager going to change this? Probably not. But I feel like a new manager's going to happen sooner rather than later, and I'll be surprised if Michael Carrick sees the end of the week as Manchester United manager.

    "He's been found wanting this season, and he's been let down massively by the players and by the board."

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    Get Involved - 'Not a disgrace, he's frustrated'published at 10:17 BST

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    Let’s face it Fernandes is not a disgrace. He’s frustrated. How many managers and interim managers since he joined? The real disgrace is the way the club is run. Never thought Carrick was the man for the job. Man Utd manager is a poisoned chalice for sure!

    Jeremy, on a cruise ship

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    Get Involved - 'He should’ve shown leadership rather than his usual sulky attitude'published at 10:15 BST

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    Would Fernandes have had the outburst if he hadn’t been hooked. As captain he should’ve shown leadership rather than his usual sulky attitude when games are going against them.

    Gary, Aberdeen

  7. 'It's a different level'published at 10:09 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    John Murray
    BBC football correspondent on Football Daily

    I'm surprised at the size of the result and the comments after it as well, they're really damaging aren't they?

    I thought they did well to keep a lid on it after Martinez said what he did. But it's a different level now. It's a different level when it comes from the captain.

  8. Postpublished at 10:07 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    BBC Radio 5 Live football correspondent John Murray was at Bayern Munich on Wednesday night to watch their 2-2 draw with Arsenal.

    He spoke with 5 Live Breakfast this morning about the current contrast between Bayern and Manchester United, who beat the German giants in the 1999 Champions League final to secure the Treble under Sir Alex Ferguson...

  9. Carrick & Fernandes clash 'a huge issue' - Onuohapublished at 10:02 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    Nedum Onuoha
    Former Man City defender on MOTD: UEFA Champions League

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    'Simply not good enough - Warnock on Man Utd's Como display

    On captain Bruno Fernandes' criticism of Manchester United's tactics and head coach Michael Carrick's curt response:

    It's not good at all. I think for them to be clashing with their messaging after such a tough defeat is a huge issue because you want everybody to come together and try to figure out a way to get through difficult times on the same page.

    But for those two that definitely doesn't seem to be the case.

    I think last week's outburst by Lisandro Martinez was more about the football club itself, whereas this one here is about someone [Fernandes] bringing into question the manager's tactics and also [from Carrick, criticising] the way the players are playing for the manager.

    Bruno Fernandes thinks the tactics where essentially wrong in this game, whereas Michael Carrick thinks the players were not running enough in this game for the tactics to work out.

    When you find those sorts of splits it can be very hard in a dressing room to maintain energy behind a manager.

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    Get Involved - 'The anti-captain'published at 09:57 BST

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    Have always defended Bruno when rival fans complain about his whining during games etc, but as a United fan I'm angry at him now. He is part of the problem. Carrick is hamstrung by poor recruitment and players with terrible attitudes.

    Richard, Belfast

    Fernandes is the anti-captain. Moody, petulant, uncontrolled emotions. If I was a coach of a kids team and I was training my captain, I'd say watch Fernandes he's the total opposite of what a captain should do. Being the best player in a team doesn't make you a leader.

    Thomas, Manchester

    How dare a club captain publicly talk like that. Whatever he thinks he needs to be professional and set a good example. Time for him to be dropped and sold in January.

    David, Northamptonshire

  11. 'An absolute disgrace'published at 09:51 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    Bruno FernandesImage source, Getty Images

    Reacting to Bruno Fernandes' comments, CBS Sports, external pundit Jamie Carragher was in shock at what he heard - branding "awful attitude" Fernandes a "disgrace" and declaring his actions as 'not what a Manchester United captain should be'.

    "We said Lisandro Martínez was bang out of order last week for calling out the hierarchy above him. For Bruno Fernandes to do that is a disgrace really," Carragher said.

    "When you think about last season, he got player of the year. That was on the back of Michael Carrick becoming the manager. He wouldn't have got that award without Michael Carrick, because Michael Carrick put him back in his rightful position and he then went on to have a fantastic season because he's a talented footballer.

    "But when you think of him as a footballer, he's a talent, but in terms of attitude and the way he goes about things, it's not right at all.

    "And he's reacted like that because he's been brought off and he's been embarrassed tonight by the manager as he brought him off. And when he talks about pressing, whether it's man to man or zonal, for years, Bruno Fernandes has meant Manchester United can't press because he does things for the crowd.

    "I commentate on games watching Man United and he runs all over the place like a kid in the schoolyard for the supporters. They all think he's working hard - he's not. He's killing the rest of the team doing it.

    "Years ago, there was a captain called Bryan Robson, one of the greatest players to ever play for Man United because he played for the club, he didn't throw the manager or the players under the bus.

    "He kept fighting for Manchester United and watching him throw his arms up every week in a game is an absolute disgrace, calling the manager out considering how he's performed this season on the pitch.

    "Awful attitude and not what a Manchester United captain should be."

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    Get Involved - Get Fernandes gonepublished at 09:48 BST

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    United should have cashed in on Fernandes when they had the offer from Saudi. Get him gone - terrible captain, whiny and not a good leader.

    Ollie, Tewkesbury

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    Get Involved - 'Sacked, suspended or forgiven?'published at 09:45 BST

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    So what happens to Fernandes now? Is he sacked, suspended or forgiven like Martinez?

    Adrian, Somerset

  14. 'There's not any discipline'published at 09:41 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    Julien Laurens
    French football journalist on TNT Sports

    Bruno Fernandes is the captain but he's been far from irreproachable this season in terms of his own level.

    Obviously, this is a dig at the staff, a dig at Michael Carrick.

    Lisandro Martinez going out publicly like he did and then being sanctioned with a fine that is nothing to him, he's earning so much money.

    Now Bruno, six or seven days later, it's not a good look for a club that seems to be in so much disarray that there's not even any discipline because the players feel the freedom to say whatever they want.

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    Get Involved - 'Good player does not equate to a good leader'published at 09:37 BST

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    Bruno being captain and the mantra that Manchester United deserve success just because they have had it before are probably two easy things to change. A good footballer does not equate to a good leader and success is earned in the now, not through past glories. It's gone, move forward.

    Bob, Cumbria

  16. 'He shouldn't be saying these things, it's not going to help'published at 09:33 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    Kasper Schmeichel
    Former Celtic goalkeeper on the Football Daily podcast

    It's a really precarious situation Man United find themselves in now.

    I've been in situations myself, as a player you feel like the management and the club aren't aligned from top to bottom and you feel alone out there. I think that's what Bruno Fernandez is doing, he's reacting to feeling alone out there.

    He was trying to press but there wasn't anyone following him up and his body language wasn't great. But given what's happened he shouldn't be saying these things, it's not going to help.

    You learn that these things are better kept in-house.

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    Get Involved - Was Fernandes right to question Carrick's tactics?published at 09:30 BST

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    You may have spotted that a poll has appeared at the top of this page asking whether you think Bruno Fernandes was right to question Michael Carrick's tactics - if not, give your page a quick refresh.

    Anyway, get your votes in and then hit 'get involved' to send us your reasoning.

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    Get Involved - At least Carrick cares for the clubpublished at 09:24 BST

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    Carrick may not be the one to take us forward. But at least he cares for the club and its fans, and you can see he is hurting. Compare that to the players and owners who show little to no care. Let's not forget how well Como played. Throughly deserved win.

    Ryan, North Wales

  19. 'That's sacrilege - simply unacceptable'published at 09:18 BST

    Como 4-1 Manchester United

    Joe Cole
    Former Chelsea and England midfielder on TNT Sports

    Bruno Fernandes is absolutely questioning the tactics and it doesn't matter if he's right to do so. You cannot do that - that's sacrilege.

    I've played for managers I've played for where you don't agree with the tactics and you might say that to your mate or your wife. You don't come out, as captain of the club, and question the manager.

    He doesn't even do it properly. If you're going to do it, come out and and say it with your chest. He's saying it and he probably thinks he's being clever - 'well I didn't really say it, gaffer'.

    You can think the manager has got the tactics wrong, that's fine. Go into his office tomorrow morning and have a conversation but to come out in front of the nation as club captain and question your manager is simply unacceptable.

  20. Postpublished at 09:14 BST

    Hmm. I'd say that an extremely generous interpretation, Christine.

    He also said "it's a decision by the staff not to press man-to-man" and how they helped Como find space and gain confidence.

    That led to him being directly asked if the tactics were wrong and the quote you mentioned. Personally, I don't think there can be too much doubt he was criticising the manager's tactics...