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| Thursday, 19 September, 2002, 10:33 GMT 11:33 UK Are we doing enough to tackle crime? ![]() Nick Ross and Fiona Bruce introduce a special day of programming on 18 September called Cracking Crime. The day aims to dispel myths and give a true picture of crime in the UK. It also looks at how you can avoid being a victim and asks what can be done to reduce crime rates. "Crime has become such a hot potato that sometimes we have to stand back and take an honest view of what is really going on," says Nick Ross. BBC One will devote much of the day to Cracking Crime including news programmes, live and interactive shows and discussions, advice, personal stories and films from across the UK. BBC radio is also taking part with programmes on Radio 2, Radio Five Live and across BBC local radio. Viewers and listeners can play an active role in the event by putting their views and questions to the people who can make a difference. Are we doing enough to tackle crime? Are using resources in the right way? Do we need a more visible police presence on the streets? This Talking has now closed. Read a selection of your comments below.
Richard, Manchester, England The police have a nickname round here - we call them tourists. I am not anti-police but I have no trust in them any more. I am a 56 year old grandmother and I have never committed any crimes, so I don't have a personal beef with the police. My only complaint is that in our area the police are as rare as the dodo.
Anon, England Although we keep hearing about zero tolerance regarding crime, when it comes to dealing with criminals, it is becoming all too common to hear that the perpetrators get reduced punishments because they have a social excuse for their behaviour such as coming from single parent families or a background of drug abuse. Should the victim not be thought of more than the criminal and what they are going through?
A Graham, Scotland, UK The problem with all these debates is that they will not go anywhere when you have leadership who will censor the truth, and refuse to listen to the man on the ground. When Jack Straw was Home Secretary he visited a part of South London which was apparently hard hit by anti social behaviour, graffiti, car thefts and so on. Apart from the fact that he was surrounded by so much security, he never saw the real facts as the Council and other agencies worked for three days clearing the place up to make it look presentable! Graffiti is a big problem here in Southeast London - I would make the vandals clean it off with toothbrushes for ten hours a day! Many of the students I taught in secondary schools didn't think muggings or breaking-and-entering were 'real' crimes. Perhaps their parents didn't think so either. There needs to be a 'no tolerance' attitude towards crime in general. Stop glamorising it on TV and films. Added police presence would be the answer, but people aren't willing to pay what it genuinely costs. As a prison officer at a young offenders' institute, I feel it's not the length of sentence but the soft way the trainees are treated which is the problem. Each offender is given a welcome pack on arrival, containing sweets, drawing book, colouring pencils, playing cards, phone cards, shower gel etc. His room (not cell) will have a television and he will be allowed a CD player, radio, Playstation, carpet, curtains etc. We have boys coming back time after time because it's easy. Tougher regimes are needed to make the experience a real deterrent.
Vicky, England People who say prison isn't the answer are missing the point. Prison is a "Punishment" and it takes the offender off the streets and puts them where they cannot do any more harm. I believe that is where they should be. The police are a joke, the criminal justice system is laughable and judges are soft; all this is because we have too many liberal do-gooders who think punishment of offenders is wrong. They believe that we should be softly rehabilitating criminals and not locking them up.
Colin, England I am appalled by the number of magistrate's courts that are being closed, most notably within London. The result is the most vulnerable victims travelling further for their day in court. How can this assist the battle to combat crime? We need to make long prison sentences mandatory for certain offences. Say, 20 years for drug trafficking, 10 years for drug dealing. No parole until the last two years. We also need mandatory lock-ups for juvenile offenders. I read in a survey earlier this year that the average British policeman spends only 17% of his/her time on the beat. I can well believe it, the sight of a copper on the beat is certainly rare in the UK. Get your police off their backsides and away from their computers and paperwork. If the police spent 50% of their workday on bikes or on foot patrol perhaps you might see some results.
Greg Burton, USA On release from prison, Repeat offenders should be given a five year suspended sentence which will forever be hanging over them. Put one foot out of place and they go back to Prison to serve the rest of their previous sentence and the five years suspended. Upon release the same would apply again. As a high proportion of anti-social behaviour is alcohol-fuelled, businesses involved in the production, distribution, advertising and sale of alcohol ought to pay a levy. This could be used for additional police funding and for paying for clearing up the mess and damage caused by drunken yobs.
Martin, UK As usual in this country we want vast amounts of money to be spent on tackling the problem (in this case on more police) without being prepared to pay the necessary taxes to fund it. I was, perhaps mistakenly, always under the impression that parents were responsible for the actions of their children until the children reach 16/18. So why not charge the parents. Sooner or later the message has to get across. This of course depends on the courts not folding and giving in to European molly coddling.
SDW, UK Crime is increasing rapidly and I think the reason for this is because of the fact that a criminals gets it easy. If a criminal gets arrested it is seen as a bit of fun and they are aware that if they do get imprisonment their sentence will be short. Inside it is seen more as a free luxury hotel nowadays rather than a place to avoid. Something needs to be done now! I think that the figures regarding police numbers being banded about by the government and the Scottish Executive are offering a distorted view to the public. Whilst I am in no position to refute the number of officers in total, I can say from personal experience that the number of front line shift officers are at alarmingly low levels and this has a direct impact on the level of service we can provide to the public. It's not about more punishment it's about causes. Our comprehensive schools are run like grammar schools, forcing non-academic kids to do academic subjects causing truancy and disillusionment. Both of these results are at the root of anti-social behaviour. We should offer lessons for practical skills to regain self-esteem and a sense of purpose. Outside school we should invest in projects to encourage skills and sport.
R Ralston, UK All we are getting is fudged figures. There is no sign that police action against crime has improved where I live in the North East. Nothing will change until the police have no political interference, more recruits, a zero tolerance policy to any type of crime and a free hand from racist attitudes. Teenagers believe that the police do not do anything to solve the problem. Why do they have this view? The young people today should have confidence and trust in the police. Most adults believe that teenagers are just trouble makers and all they do is get drunk every night, and do things they are not allowed to. That is why crime hits the teenagers, because the villains know we are too scared to say anything. In a country where the system fails the victim and benefits the criminal, is it any wonder we're the laughing stock of the free world. Well done Labour, doing a fantastic job!!
Kenneth Jessett, USA To be an effective deterrent, prison must be an unpleasant place to be in. Our local council spent a fortune on installing CCTV but half the cameras don't work, and the system is not monitored by the police but by a night watchman on a local trading estate.
Perri T, England We seem to be using most of our police officers for catching the speeding motorist. Recently I counted no less than a dozen officers on a ONE mile stretch of road. The Police should protect all members of society regardless of "class". As it is, if you live in a big house and drive a posh car, the Police will be very quick to respond, on the other hand, if you live on a council estate and drive an old car/don't have a car, they can't be bothered to turn up. More visible police on the streets patrolling the town centres at all times. In our village in Cambridgeshire we have virtually no police patrolling at night.
Paul L, England I believe we need standardised punishments and harsher prisons. I know most sentences are used for rehabilitation, but surely this time in prison should be a deterrent too. Spending most of the day in a cell with just four walls, a bed and toilet should be enough to put anyone off committing a crime. Unfortunately I feel the UK legal system just isn't tough enough. In our area some of the vandals and troublemakers now do bets on who can get the most convictions against them. As they know that even if the police catch them, then the courts will not give them a harsh sentence that will stop them re-offending. I believe more resources needs to be put towards reducing hard drug addiction as the vast majority of property based crime is drug related. Having been burgled three times this year and I believe I am suffering from the effects of drug use in the area. The police are in an almost impossible situation - it is not practical to have a police officer on every corner and the number of cases where someone is charged but not even brought to court is frightening. The criminals get a cushy ride. If you want the most shocking program on TV list a random selection of cases, theft, assault etc and get the public to guess the sentence. Methinks there would be total outrage if the public really knew how lightly these criminals get off. Show the victims, show the effects of the crimes and then the criminal and the punishment they receive. I think that these pressure groups calling for prison reform (with even lighter sentences) would be sunk. Go on BBC I dare you. I think the police are a joke, they only seem to target the weaker people in society for breaking small crimes for example speeding, while they leave drug dealers and gangsters free to do what they wish. This is a very sad state of affairs. The majority of people are scared to walk the streets - the police should walk the streets under cover to see how real life is like.
Richard P, UK Walking in the centre of Sheffield in the early hours of the morning trying to find a taxi I felt at risk. I went to the central police station to wait for a taxi I had called but it was locked and there wasn't a soul in sight. I could have been attacked on their doorstep and nobody would have known. Community service is a great way of getting offenders to make good some of the damage they've caused from their crime. It makes a really valuable contribution to local neighbourhoods, teaches the offenders good work skills and makes it less likely that they'll commit more crime in future. I'm 16 and just started college. Yesterday I was beaten up on the way home by some kids because I didn't have a cigarette. The nearest policeman? Your guess is as good as mine...
Dario, UK Crime like drugs is based on supply and demand. The next time you buy a cheap DVD or phone from "a friend of a friend" use your intelligence and conscience to determine why it is so cheap. As a magistrate, I see the same people time and time again in court. We should be targeting young people in school and the wider community, showing them the cost of crime and the effect on the victim mentally, physically and monetary. If "Jenny, UK" is seeing the same people time and time again as a magistrate, why doesn't she try locking them up for longer? In response to Jenny the magistrate. You are in a position to act on what people want. Now do your job properly. Or do you not get affected by crime living in your million pound house behind an eight foot steel fence.
Martyn Quinn, USA (UK) Martyn Quinn, 20 years ago when I was 13 I didn't have anywhere to 'hang' out other than street corners either. No 'things' to do or places to go. But I never went to the local cemetary and vandalized dozens of childrens graves. The problem runs much deeper than a lack of stuff to do. There is a deep malaise in modern society, and our impressionable youth are particularly infected by it. I don't think there is a solution at all. I think it's going to get worse and worse. Seems to me modern societies are slowly disintegrating. On the other hand, thank your lucky stars you don't live in any West African nation. Why does Blair not put every young criminal who claims unemployment and poverty as a reason for battering old ladies, into National Service? Other countries in the EU do it, so why not us? The crime and unemployment rate would plummet! As nothing is working now is it? My boyfriend has been attacked several times while cycling to or from work. He is not a big lad and has not got a violent or aggressive bone in his body. I think it is disgusting that he walks around his home town in fear of it happening again. The justice system in this country is far too soft; these people should not be allowed to get away with their behaviour.
John, UK Do you really think more Police will make you safer? They show up after you have been attacked! They have an impossible job and can't be everywhere. Self-preservation is a human right! Yes, the police force in the UK is second to none in the world. What we should be asking is whether the public do more especially parents. There's no excuse for any sort of bad behaviour, but what do you when teenagers, or older people for that matter, repeatedly re-offend? I think we should give them a very simple ultimatum: tell them to stop or they will be thrown out of the country, never to be returned. It worked quite well a few centuries ago! I feel sorry for the police who take on all kinds of dangers to get the criminal into court only to find that some out of touch judge gives out a namby-pamby sentence. There is no deterrent any more and the criminals know this. As for the do-gooders who say we are not treating criminals with respect, they are in the same category as these judges. Let's hit the criminal with far stiffer sentences and create a real deterrent for them to think about. Otherwise, the only winner will be the criminal and the victim, the loser. The idea of putting criminals in the armed forces is a none-starter and would be totally unfair on the decent guys who join to make it their career. Buy a security camera, a German Shepherd and get the courts to hand down relevant sentences.
Barry P, England Just watching BBC 6 o'clock news on 10 September and I'm quite incensed that we have over 300 officers walking the beat in the US, to show some comradeship with what happened on Sep 11 2001. The sentiments might be commendable but with the crime rates soaring here in the UK, they should be patrolling our inner city streets. Surely there could have been a better way for the police force to show their respects? This seems to be a gross waste of tax-payers money. Zero Tolerance is one aspect of law enforcement we should adopt. Until prison (or some other punishment) is a deterrent, criminals will not fear the consequences of crime. Until now the balance has been in favour of the criminal. There is only a short sentence for rape or killing while drunk-driving. It is time to put the balance in favour of the victims. The punishment for a crime should be a deterrent not a joke! I live in Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire, about 5 minutes by car from Chequers. We have a police station that is manned for a couple of hours twice a week. We pay for a police service - the same as the rest of the country - but never see a Police Officer. If we need to contact the police station for any reason other than 999 the phone rings without being answered until the line goes dead. It is a hopeless shambles. What also gets my goat is that I pay to give criminals three square meals a day, a roof over their head, medical care, and a good education. However I cannot afford to go to evening classes for myself. Who said that crime doesn't pay? Having lived in the UK for quite a few years I personally was never the victim of a mugging or robbery (thank goodness) and generally felt quite safe living in London. But people in the UK are obviously sick and tired of the perpetrators of crime getting light sentences. Recently here in Australia the leader of a disgusting group of gang rapists was sentenced to 55 years in jail, hooray for the judge I say.
Russ, UK I am originally from South Africa and I know quite a few South African's who have never been mugged in South Africa but have been mugged in London. London is not as safe as it use to be and I feel things are getting worse. Parents and society in general should start to take more responsibility for their actions. I'm sick of criminals blaming a hard life, they still have a choice and choose the break the law. The Government is much too busy banning fox hunting to sort out trivial things like the huge increase in street crime. Tony Blair should be ashamed. The biggest single change would be to prevent bail for anybody who is arrested for a crime when already on bail. That way, the persistent offenders would not just be released back on the streets to re-offend.
Richard, Leeds, UK I live in a town where the police station closes at 5pm. So what do they do after 5pm? Paperwork is my guess. Cut down on the unnecessary paperwork and then maybe the police will spend more time on the streets thus lowering the crime rate. I remember being a probationer constable at the time of the 1997 general election, which saw the Labour Party back in power. At the time an older officer made a prophecy that our job would now become very difficult as the faceless loony left members of the party were now in the corridors of power and that they were no friends of the Police. How right he was, since then we have, low morale, frustration, political correctness, spineless management, no support, labelled racists, endless paperwork. The way the British public are made to suffer through this is a crime in itself. You defend yourself against a mugger and they'll prosecute you. You get battered and nothing is done, or very little. In both cases, you lose.
Philip, UK We never do enough to combat crime. As long as we keep molly coddling criminals and feeling sorry for them we will never reduce crime rates. We need to increase sentences, ensure that criminals serve their time and stop worrying about criminals living conditions when they are inside. Punishment for crimes committed should be exactly that, punishment. Also, we need to increase expenditure in the police force, but we can't do that because no-one wants to pay more taxes to pay for it.
Nick S, UK I heard today that six out of ten prisoners re-offend within two years of release from custodial sentences. Instead of making life tougher for people in jails, we need to do more educational work whilst they are inside, and provide more opportunities for them to be members of society upon release.
Glen, UK In the past week we have just had two crimes reported in our local newspaper. An elderly lady mugged for her handbag on a Sunday morning on the way to church. Another younger woman punched fell off her bike and mugged again in broad daylight. As a woman this is the first time I have been scared to go out on my own. I think the Police do a fine job but the Government will be to blame until Tony Blair stops taking on the role of King Richard and fighting the crusades.
Diana, U.K. The crime levels in some boroughs of London (our so called capital) are absolutely shocking and disgraceful! You get better crime levels in some third world countries! No wonder Britain and especially London is now regarded as one of the most crime-ridden countries in the western world which is totally disgraceful! Until such times as the government (and the Law) are prepared to put victims welfare before that of the criminal there will never be a true justice system in this country
Simon Mallett, UK As most petty crime is committed by adolescents and young adults surely this reflects the current trend of lack of parental control. Zero tolerance was introduced in Cleveland, England. It worked but the police officer who introduced it was hounded out. Perhaps this is to do with all the sleaze associated with our politicians/officials. Start punishing them more with heavy fines/jail sentences instead of an upward move from politician to Member of the Board and we might get somewhere. The trouble is that there is no credible deterrent. Parents don't teach their children morals anymore, judges are too soft, penalties are too light, criminals aren't reformed and the victims are forgotten about. And until all of this changes, we are still going to have problems.
Patricia Vanderveer, Merseyside, UK Prisoners seem to view 'doing time' as a bit of a holiday these days. I'm not advocating mistreating offenders in prison, but they do need to realise they are being punished for their crimes. A balance needs to be found to act as a deterrent to crime. I believe that this country is too soft on criminals. I had to laugh yesterday when I saw that the poor inmates at Saughton Prison are having to share cells. Big deal! Students often have to share cramped rooms in halls of residence with strangers, and pay high prices for the privilege!
James Whistler, UK The police are clearly doing vast amounts of work on bringing to book those heinous motorists who insist on doing 80 on an empty motorway. Unfortunately the increasing numbers of social and street crimes appear not to warrant the same attention, so muggers and burglars roam the streets while their victims are persecuted in their cars. It might help if the Prime Minister was in the country enough to see the crime explosion instead of going on jaunts all over the world and being enclosed in spin that he thinks we are all stupid enough to take in. |
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